Monday, February 3, 2025

Lowering Expectations

Once again, the market gets kneecapped by news, this time, something that was kind of expected.  Everyone knew that tariffs were coming, just not sure when and how much.  The reaction to the news is a bit surprising, since this wasn't completely unexpected.  It shows you how much optimism was priced into the market after the Trump win, as everyone was talking about the good things coming, and not much about the potential bad things coming.   We are still working that off, with these violent gap down moves, showing you how bad it is to be long stocks when there is so much enthusiasm.  

Its been 1.5 months since the beginning of the real shake out, starting from the December FOMC meeting.  Usually, these shake outs and pullbacks last about a month.  But this one has been so choppy with big moves in both directions, that its not a typical pullback.  Its more of an off/on selloff that would normally be completed in less than a month, but with the intermittent face ripper rallies, you've not been able to get a real purge of the saturated positioning that was present a couple of months ago.  

With this latest piece of "bad" news, we are getting closer to the end of this choppy correction.  This is not a stable condition for the market, to have these huge gap downs and then equally huge face ripper rallies right afterwards.  Eventually you either blast higher and resume the uptrend, or the market keeps going lower, really flushing out the weak hands and scaring investors.  

From an economic viewpoint, there should still be an initial boost from the Trump win with more investment spending and looser credit and regulatory conditions at the banks in the next few months.  It makes it likely that you will have at least a bounce from these selloffs, or more likely, a typical resumption of the uptrend after a corrective period.  

Tariffs are overrated and overhyped.  Because they are unpopular, they are unlikely to stay on for the long term.  Most of the US population doesn't like higher prices for imported goods.  Most of the US population won't benefit from any trade protection coming from tariffs.  And most of the US population doesn't like lower stock prices that are coming from tariffs.  Since most of these imported goods can't be substituted by goods produced in the US, it just ends up being a tax on consumption and production.  From past history, Trump is likely to declare victory over his tariff strategy after he gets some token concessions.  

Its actually a better thing for the market to have the tariffs come out from the beginning, in order to lower expectations for the coming quarters for economic growth.  The expectations were a bit too lofty going into 2025, with irrational expectations of strong growth coming from de-regulation and future tax cuts, with very little concrete evidence.  Now investors are slowly coming back to reality, with the DeepSeek news and now tariffs driving away a lot of that unbridled enthusiasm, and keeping the trend on a more sustainable path.  

The string of big gap downs and bad news is actually a bad thing for the bears in the short to intermediate term.  There was a risk that if you didn't get any bad news, and the market kept going higher after the bottom in mid January, you could have had a nasty blowoff top made in February/March, leading to a much bigger correction.  Since the SPX has been contained below 6125 on the rallies, it means that the selloffs don't have as much fuel, and won't be as long lasting.  You just haven't had enough time for the weak hands to build up big long positions again, like they did in early December.  

The COT data as of last Tuesday, didn't show any big changes in positioning, with asset managers adding a small amount to their net long positions.  Looking at the ISEE index, you can see that the enthusiasm has been pared back to more normal levels of call buying.  


The excessive optimism has been pared down and you are back to more neutral levels of sentiment among investors.  You can see that in the NAAIM exposure survey.


The bond market has stabilized closer to 4.50% after selling off to 4.80% 10 year yields.  This should help stocks from going down much further.  The bond market doesn't seem to be fazed by tariffs, which shows that speculative positioning is much lighter and you probably have CTAs short bonds here, which adds potential short covering fuel for bonds if inflation isn't as sticky as many expect for 2025.  

Still holding the small long position from last Monday, I may add to the position if there is a further selloff from the current levels in the coming days.  Leaning bullish, but not a great risk/reward so keeping positions small.  

79 comments:

OL DAWG said...

long UPS 3/7 115 calls 1.35
long QQQ 3/7 520 calls 10.55

OL DAWG said...

long DECK 3/7 175 calls 6.50

OL DAWG said...

Long IWM 3/7 225 calls 4.50

Anonymous said...

I am not feeling bullish at all. This is highest steak Poker and no country may blink first. We can lose millions of jobs if this is not resolved in a short time.

OL DAWG said...

Sold IWM calls 6.06

OL DAWG said...


Sold QQQ calls 11.92

OL DAWG said...

Long more DECK calls 5.82

OL DAWG said...
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OL DAWG said...

Long EIX 3/21 55 calls 3.4

OL DAWG said...

Sold UPS calls 1.58

OL DAWG said...

Long 3/7 42 OKLO puts 5.54

OL DAWG said...

Long more EIX calls 3.27

OL DAWG said...

After today it's going to be over for the bulls imo

OL DAWG said...

Sold OKLO puts 5.88

Market Owl said...

Don't fall into the bear trap from these tariffs. They can be taken off as quickly as they are put on. Tariffs are a negotiating tool, nothing more, nothing less.

Anonymous said...

Do u think from here on would bond yield go up or go down, if more tariffs are imposed?

Market Owl said...

Yields would definitely go lower with more tariffs. Tariffs are a tax hike on consumers. That's negative for growth, which would make bond yields go down. The Fed even said that they would ignore one time price increases due to tariffs as they don't view that as a monetary phenomena.

Anonymous said...

would you short pltr?

Market Owl said...

Not yet. I'd wait till the overall market is stronger and for PLTR to either have a blowoff top to 125-130 or flatten out for a few weeks.

Anonymous said...

Thanks @marketowl

OL DAWG said...

Long OKLO 3/7 51 puts 7.57

OL DAWG said...

Sold DECK calls at 6.00

OL DAWG said...

Long 3/14 520 QQQ puts 9.06

OL DAWG said...

Sold QQQ puts 8.91

OL DAWG said...

Long more OKLO puts 8

OL DAWG said...

Long UPS 3/14 110 calls 4.10

OL DAWG said...

Long TEM 3/7 64 puts 4.91

OL DAWG said...

Sold TEM puts 5.28

OL DAWG said...

Long QQQ 3/7 520 puts 7.31

OL DAWG said...

sold QQQ puts 7.04

OL DAWG said...

Sold OKLO puts 9.11

OL DAWG said...

Long ASTS 26.68

OL DAWG said...

Sold ASTS 27.08

OL DAWG said...

Sold UPS calls 4.55

OL DAWG said...

Long TSLA 3/7 390 calls 12.60

OL DAWG said...

Sold PLTR puts 7.25

OL DAWG said...

Long QQQ 525 3/14 puts 9.93

OL DAWG said...

Sold QQQ puts 9.54 sold IWM puts 3.35

OL DAWG said...

Long more TSLA calls 12.89

OL DAWG said...

Long TEM 3/14 65 calls 7.46

Anonymous said...

Tsla long is tricky. This is $50 stock and willgo down at some point without warning. I am legging into pltr short even at the risk of a blow off top higher - too juicy

OL DAWG said...

Sold TEM calls 7.635

OL DAWG said...

Long 3/14 49 OKLO puts 7.53

OL DAWG said...

Sold TSLA calls 14.53

OL DAWG said...

Long QQQ 3/14 525 Puts 9.39

OL DAWG said...

I like the way she goes down

OL DAWG said...

IWM was totally telegraphing this move lower. So was DIA.

OL DAWG said...

Long NVDA 3/14 125 puts 7.95

OL DAWG said...

sold NVDA puts 7.75

OL DAWG said...

Long PLTR 3/14 109 puts 7.89

OL DAWG said...

sold PLTR put 7.15

OL DAWG said...

sold OKLO puts 4.92

OL DAWG said...

Long 3/14 440 DIA puts 3.85

OL DAWG said...

Sold QQQ puts 11.01 sold DIA puts 4.35

Anonymous said...

Why we crashing down again?

OL DAWG said...

Long PLTR 3/14 114 puts 8.60

OL DAWG said...

Long TSLA 3/14 400 calls 12.40

OL DAWG said...

sold PLTR puts 8.29

OL DAWG said...

Long pltr 116 3/14 puts 9.35

OL DAWG said...

sold TSLA calls 11.82

OL DAWG said...

Long NET 170 3/7 puts 7.95

OL DAWG said...

Long NVDA 125 3/14 puts 7.60

OL DAWG said...

sold NET puts 8.38

OL DAWG said...

sold NVDA puts 7.7

OL DAWG said...

Long TSLA 3/14 390 calls 13.3

Anonymous said...

Monday crash incoming.

OL DAWG said...

sold TSLA calls 13.08

OL DAWG said...

Long TSLA 3/14 390 calls 12.70

OL DAWG said...

sold PLTR puts 10.45

Anonymous said...

6000 close. 5900 Monday and then resume down.

OL DAWG said...

Long NKE 3/14 70 calls 2.06

OL DAWG said...

sold NKE calls 2.01

OL DAWG said...

sold TSLA calls 12.75

OL DAWG said...

Last week I had an 84.5% win/loss ratio this week was 70.35% win/loss

Anonymous said...

That is amazing. I am fighting pltr should have left it alone

OL DAWG said...

I was short too since yesterday at 109.58. When I saw it this morning between 111 and 112 I just wanted to gtfo so I hit it out. It was a good decision. I got short again at 116 and covered at 112.50. I should have held a little longer.

Market Owl said...

Looks like traders are frontrunning the "tariff selloff" that is coming next week after Trump announced he was issuing reciprocal tariffs. Lost in the tariff news was that he is trying to extend the tax cuts and basically make them permanent, which will have a much bigger long term effect (inflationary, higher growth) than any temporary tariffs that spook, but don't last.

Not a great entry point for longs or shorts. The intraday and overnight volatility is higher but the market isn't going anywhere. Trade around the edges, long or short, but don't trade in the middle. We are in the middle. SPX 5900-5950 is a buy zone, SPX 6150-6200 is the sell zone.

I will not be playing small ranges between 6000 and 6100, its not worth giving up opportunity cost (being able to buy lower or sell higher) to make small gains.

OL DAWG said...

Do you think we will make another ATH?

Market Owl said...

Yes, probably within 2 weeks. We won’t resume a big uptrend, but I expect marginal new ATHs over the next few weeks