The bullish price action is uncanny as we are heading into the last few weeks ahead of the election. Maybe its the strong SPX rallies post election in 2016 and 2020 that have investors complacent, one won by Republicans, one won by Democracts. It appears many believe that based on recent history, it will go up post-election no matter who wins. However, if you asked investors if stocks would go up or down if the corporate tax rate went up from 21% to 28%, most would say they would go down. And the Trump tax cuts are not something that automatically gets renewed if there is no legislation. Those tax cuts are set to expire if the next President does nothing and lets them expire at the end of 2025. And Harris will let them expire. That plus other low probability risks to stocks such as raising the capital gains tax rate, which is possible in the small chance that Democrats sweep the election.
On CNBC and Bloomberg, there is very little talk about the ramifications of the election. The recent news surrounding geopolitics, strikes, hurricanes, and even the Fed have distracted investors from thinking about the big one: the election. And its the one that can actually have a meaningful fundamental impact on the future earnings of corporations and investors. Maybe the market continues to ignore this risk all the way to the finish line on November 5, but I view that as a low probability scenario.
Despite what looks like a ripe environment for stocks to pullback, the opposite has happened. Trading is a probability game. You can play the odds and make your bets based on historical tendencies in similar environments and still lose. Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. Most good trades on the SPX or other major markets will be only slight favorites. You just don't get a big edge trading such big, liquid instruments. So you have to be able to withstand drawdowns, cut losses, and move on. But you also have to be able to know when its too late to get out. For mean reversion traders, often times the more stretched the rubber band gets, the better opportunity. The moments when counter trend traders are losing the most are usually when the best opportunities occur. Of course this is assuming that the trader has a valid winning long term strategy.
The only way to get to the long run is if you survive the short run. The only way to survive the short run is have proper money management and not make huge bets.
The past week's COT data showed little movement among asset managers and commercial traders. The large asset manager net long position remains. The OCC data for last week shows both small and large options traders buying more calls and with bigger premiums than for puts. The data came in as one would expect for an up week. No real edge there. Put/call ratios are generally low, but that is to be expected considering last week's price movements.
There is a tendency for opex weeks to be bullish on Monday and Tuesday if we are at or near an all time high going in. The is early week bullishness is usually reversed later in the week, as opex gets closer and options expire, leading to fewer ITM calls and fewer OTM puts outstanding. This can trigger more outsized moves on opex day and for the following week. This is what often happened during the monster up year of 2021, when you had lots of call option activity, which led to rallies up to the beginning of opex week, where options hedging forces led to selling later in the opex week, and sometimes spilling over to post opex Monday. That would be my base case for this week's price action as many are bulled up going into this opex.
With new all time highs and SPX over 5800, we have to temper our expectations for any pullback that comes this month. Even with election risk coming to the forefront soon, the price action doesn't support a big pullback. You usually have more bearish price action or more volatile two way trade at the highs prior to big pullbacks. We are not seeing that now. So while my original thesis was for a move down to SPX 5450 when initially short, I now think its likely that the most this goes down in October is 5600. So I don't even foresee a 5% pullback from the highs ahead of the election. The shorts will have to be satisfied with a graceful exit and/or minimal gains on a pullback, rather than any big profits. 2024 is the bull's year, and trying to make money on the short side has been trying to squeeze water out a rock. 2025 should prove to be a much different trading environment. So for the bears, don't waste too many bullets trying to take down this super bull, save them for what should be more of a two sided market next years, with patient bears likely to get paid much more often than either 2023 or 2024.
Still full short position, as I view any gains early this week to be taken back quickly later in the week. Covering now and trying to reshort later is trying to be too cute when we are this far overextended with so much investor complacency . The potential upside is more limited than potential downside this month, so its not worth it to micro trade. Staying short.
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Sold DIA puts 3.35. Long WBA 11/15 10 calls $.57
I saw a tweet last night from a reputable trader who said the latest the market started going down in October in an election year is October 12th. Maybe we don't get the selloff this year until Nov 6th. At any rate, I'm at least staying long until tomorrow morning.
Can the Kamala administration, in their state of desperation, actually command the FED to do open market operations until 11/5?
All Kamala has to do is go on the teevee and say she wants rate cuts to get an effect but command a rate cut? idk, did Jerome go to Epstein Island?
Fed buys/sells stocks not just bonds.
Election baskets offered by large IBs all have Trump basket on a tear vs Kamala basket over past week - the market is discounting a Trump win it seems - still a long way so still see scope for wobble into Oct 28th short window
Yes, that was one of the factors that I was afraid of, the market starting to price in a Trump victory way ahead of the election. It seems to be happening quite early. Plus I underestimated the opex squeeze higher for the market at an all time high, which I was braced for. Looking back, I should have probably cut half on Friday near the close seeing how likely we were to stay near highs or go higher for Mon./Tue. this week.
Sold wba calls at .85 cents
My nigga. What could be, unburdened by what it was.
Long 11/15 584 SPY puts 9.25
Long UVXY 11/15 30 call @ 1.97
Long CSIQ 12.97
Only 3% away till 5650. But when it gets there I have a feeling that won't be the bottom.
Hi MO. Curious how they could price in a Trump victory and also this early? Is it really coin-flip then the market would be like you said, de-risking - people have seen what Trump is about now? People hate Harris so much they would rather Trump won? I must be missing something. I predicted the last 2 elections and if I were to place a bet this time, although it may still be close, I just could not see Trump winning.
are we getting the beginning of sustained sell-off here?
Feels like we’ve reached a top, and I expect opex day to be weak as well as post opex week. But this has been very resilient but price action is looking toppy. As for the polls, I think its way too early to say that Trump should win just based on betting markets. Still a lot of election uncertainty remaining
Kamala fucked up every chance she gets. She was caught talking into an earpiece during a zoom call, she said wouldn't do anything different from Biden when given a chance to answer if she could (how she going to turn the page and make a new way forward if she's not going to do change anything?), she got filmed using a teleprompter at a town hall, when the teleprompter breaks she just repeats the last thing the teleprompter said for the last 30 seconds. She has a stupid black accent when she grew up in Canada and nobody talks like that up there. She uses those stupid pearl earing bluetooth earpieces everytime she does an interview or goes on TV. She claims she's from the middle class yet wears a 65K Tiffany necklace. She also plagiarized from Wikipedia and always quotes shit said by Karl Marx ("Unburdened by what has been blah blah") Also JD Vance is both smarter than either candidate and way smarter than Tampon Tim and people realize this. Even the media has flipped on Kamala now. Anyone who isn't indoctrinated by the DNC and isn't a gay soyboy, queer or chick with dick has warmed up to the fact that Kamala is a fraud.
OL DAWG - what an awesome take. Lets put you in charge.
ASML fucked up. 3Q bookings EU 2.63B, est. EU 5.39B
ASML CUTS 2025 NET SALES, GROSS MARGIN GUIDANCE
Sales cut in half. There goes the NASDAQ. There goes NVDA and the semis. Who will lead the market up now? (noone)
Word.
@mo would u trim at all today to be able to re-add on a reversal? I hope this continues but trying to be cautious
These young traders are still bullish on twitter. Many expect a gap up tomorrow into new highs. They must have started trading in 2017. I used to trade NSCP.
We've come this far, I think its too late to trim and try to re-add. The window of weakness is focused on later part of this week and next week, so staying short.
Thanks @mo. Pls provide short updates if u have change in views esp if trimming on down moves. I feel if we get a doen move 2-3 days in a tow, we are supposed to trim
In this environment
If I do trim or get out, I will update it here. If we get to SPX 5750 by opex, I would probably trim some because the window of weakness has only about 10 calendar days left.
Sold SPY puts @ 10.78
Sold UVXY calls @ 2.40
Long IWM 226 11/22 puts @ 6.45
Threatening to go to 5850 again
Long 224 IWM 10/18 puts .40
Didn't sell off at the close. I feel we are going to tap the ATH again. Time for another long play
Sold IWM put @ 6.15. Long VSAT 12/20 11 calls @ 1.70
This is going down big next 2 days. Not a strong enough close today
this market just keeps going up and the longer I waited, harder it is becoming to get out. tough tough for shorts. i thought of buying spy 600 calls in jan 2024 for jan 2025, would have been the best trade
Yeah feels hopeless at this point.
Sold VSAT calls @ 1.68 Long
Long DIA 11/22 430 puts @ 6.55
I'm not holding shorts beyond the end of next week. There is a termination point for my short trade. Markets like 2024 will set up much better conditions for shorts in 2025. The key will be to know when to lay down the hammer next year, as it will be choppy before you get the big drop (10%+ decline in a month).
Long IWM 225 11/8 put @ 4.96
No more long trades, feeling like the time is right this time.
@mo what are you thinking? i have dry powder but wondering if should throw more good money at bad or just and wait or run. Given my sizing and timing, not thinking as clearly as I need to to add more size here. Thanks
Post opex for October is historically bearish. Election risk has been completely ignored and investors are heavily net long. Logically, I would expect investors to lighten up either by selling calls for Nov. after their Oct. calls expire or to buy Nov. puts to cover election risk. I can't imagine them trying to get even longer over the next week. The risk / reward here looks quite good and upside looks limited for the next week or so, so I would add some if you have dry powder. I am heavily short now and will hold through next week.
Thanks. May add some more on nvda puts and possibly spy and qqq. My oct 18 puts are toast but will add for nov
It's just a game of musical chairs with the bulls at this point. Soon someone is going to flinch.
Next try of chop before the drop
We need a 1-1.5pct down day at some point. Chop and grind is no good
The Dow is going to lead this market down. The leadership no longer exists with the tech co's in a DJT economy.
I have spy 585 and 580 exporing today. Too late, I guess
Its been an unusually strong market. Bearish seasonal tendencies have not played out this year. Bears really only have about 1 week left before you get pre-election vol and IVs going lower reflecting less event risk, even before the event. I've seen this often ahead of FOMC meetings, where event vol gets taken down even before the event happens.
The .45 dip was slowly bought up from computer trading. They still want higher. Sold DIA puts 5.65. Long CSIQ 12 11/22 calls 1.70
Have to rethink and may be take a break. Have to admit early august was a fluke because of that crazy yen event for us and we have been wrong all along past few months. May miss an impending decline but the the right risk adjusted step is to walk away
I will give it one more week on the short side and then probably just be on the sidelines for a while. Its been a tough time for those fading this market.
S and p price to sales is all time high same as what we had in dec 2021, nvda price ro sales is at ath
Valuations are sky high. The crowd is very bullish. The market topping process will start soon, and last for the first few months of 2025. 2nd half of 2025 will be savage.
Cant really time these. Market will too and fall at unexpected times. Do you reckon we end 2025 around 6k, 5k or lower?
You can't time it exactly, but getting within a couple of months of the top is possible, although not easy. I would guess the market ends 2025 somewhere between 5K and 6K. We probably go a little bit above 6K before this market tops out. Thinking less than 7% of upside from current levels into the middle of 2025, with any rally from here front loaded into the last 2 months of 2024.
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